Harry Jonas and Holly Shrumm (Natural Justice) met with three colleagues in Kuala Lumpur on the way to a CBD-REDD+ meeting in Singapore. Dr. Azmi Sharom is an associate professor at the Law Faculty of the University of Malaya, where he focuses on political rights and international environmental law. Dr. Ramy Bulan is also an associate professor at the UM Law Faculty and is head of the Centre for Legal Pluralism and Indigenous Law. Much of her work has focused on Native Customary Land Rights, particularly in Sarawak. Dr. Colin Nicholas coordinates the Centre for Orang Asli Concerns, through which he advocates tirelessly for the rights of Indigenous minority peoples of Peninsular Malaysia. Thank you for your time and invaluable insights – and the stack of new books!